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	<title>Comments on: Okay, Oprah, let&#8217;s settle this once and for all&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Rational Thinking</title>
		<link>http://sashen.com/blog/53/okay-oprah-lets-settle-this-once-and-for-all/#comment-23245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rational Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It astonished me when I came across it, but it's there - check out Rick Ross.  And of course, about 30 - yeeks yes it's close to that - years ago, I had an interesting experience with Amway.

Anyhoo - another thought (then I'll shut up for a bit :-) - the thing that occurs is this: all that Oprah is doing (for whatever reason, and I have no idea) by the idea for this programme is going to perpetuate the one big lie.  Remember Goebbels?  It's another way of reinforcing the insane idea that there is a law of attraction.  Circular logic is always suspect.  That's, I suppose, when I first started to smell a rodent.  I'm holding forth here in a big way, but I'm going on gut that it's important.  Doesn't matter why or why not something is working for you.  What matters is, are you trying to build your house on sand.  Sorry if that's offensive to anyone.  But that's what it amounts to.  Is it real?  Really?  Are you sure.

You know all this, and I hope you don't object to my publishing it on your blog.  Mine was started and put aside, when my father died suddenly last week.  And the floodgates are now opening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It astonished me when I came across it, but it&#8217;s there - check out Rick Ross.  And of course, about 30 - yeeks yes it&#8217;s close to that - years ago, I had an interesting experience with Amway.</p>
<p>Anyhoo - another thought (then I&#8217;ll shut up for a bit <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> - the thing that occurs is this: all that Oprah is doing (for whatever reason, and I have no idea) by the idea for this programme is going to perpetuate the one big lie.  Remember Goebbels?  It&#8217;s another way of reinforcing the insane idea that there is a law of attraction.  Circular logic is always suspect.  That&#8217;s, I suppose, when I first started to smell a rodent.  I&#8217;m holding forth here in a big way, but I&#8217;m going on gut that it&#8217;s important.  Doesn&#8217;t matter why or why not something is working for you.  What matters is, are you trying to build your house on sand.  Sorry if that&#8217;s offensive to anyone.  But that&#8217;s what it amounts to.  Is it real?  Really?  Are you sure.</p>
<p>You know all this, and I hope you don&#8217;t object to my publishing it on your blog.  Mine was started and put aside, when my father died suddenly last week.  And the floodgates are now opening.</p>
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		<title>By: sashen</title>
		<link>http://sashen.com/blog/53/okay-oprah-lets-settle-this-once-and-for-all/#comment-23244</link>
		<dc:creator>sashen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A line that I like is: "Just because that person doesn't have a body, that doesn't make them smart!" 

For all we know all the "channeled" entities are the high school pranksters of the extra-terrestrial world ;-)  "Hey, dude, check this out. I'm gonna talk through this housewife from Iowa and have her read my 5th period fiction paper, 'We're all vibration.'"

I had no idea there was an Amway connection... the thot plickens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A line that I like is: &#8220;Just because that person doesn&#8217;t have a body, that doesn&#8217;t make them smart!&#8221; </p>
<p>For all we know all the &#8220;channeled&#8221; entities are the high school pranksters of the extra-terrestrial world <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8220;Hey, dude, check this out. I&#8217;m gonna talk through this housewife from Iowa and have her read my 5th period fiction paper, &#8216;We&#8217;re all vibration.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I had no idea there was an Amway connection&#8230; the thot plickens!</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Thinking</title>
		<link>http://sashen.com/blog/53/okay-oprah-lets-settle-this-once-and-for-all/#comment-23243</link>
		<dc:creator>Rational Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, because I just can't resist - something I read recently about this whole channelling nonsense, was someone who said something to the effect of this:

You may well be hearing voices, but who the heck but your psychiatrist would ever want to listen:-)

I fell for Abraham hook, line and sinker.  As light began to dawn, I found the Amway connection, and all sorts of things began to become, well, rather clearer shall we say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, because I just can&#8217;t resist - something I read recently about this whole channelling nonsense, was someone who said something to the effect of this:</p>
<p>You may well be hearing voices, but who the heck but your psychiatrist would ever want to listen:-)</p>
<p>I fell for Abraham hook, line and sinker.  As light began to dawn, I found the Amway connection, and all sorts of things began to become, well, rather clearer shall we say.</p>
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		<title>By: sashen</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, "Abraham" (I can't write that name and not think of how Edgar Bergen became famous doing ventriloquism over the RADIO... somehow that seems connected to me), would HAVE to exempt GRAVITY...because it's a REAL law, with reproducible tests that verify predictions made PRIOR TO the testing.

Unlike the LOA which is a LAW in the same sense that Jude Law is (i.e. in name only), and is only provable AFTER the fact.

You certainly don't want to get your laws confused, especially when your livelihood depends on it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, &#8220;Abraham&#8221; (I can&#8217;t write that name and not think of how Edgar Bergen became famous doing ventriloquism over the RADIO&#8230; somehow that seems connected to me), would HAVE to exempt GRAVITY&#8230;because it&#8217;s a REAL law, with reproducible tests that verify predictions made PRIOR TO the testing.</p>
<p>Unlike the LOA which is a LAW in the same sense that Jude Law is (i.e. in name only), and is only provable AFTER the fact.</p>
<p>You certainly don&#8217;t want to get your laws confused, especially when your livelihood depends on it!</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rational Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuckles - yes, I know.  But oh boy, let 'em try!  Funnily enough, I understand Abraham fairly recently exempted gravity from LOA: if memory serves, I think the words were "if you jump out of a window, all you can do is wait for the impact" :-)  Or words to that effect.

So I shall carry on allowing the cogitations to circle, and we'll see.  Nice to meet you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuckles - yes, I know.  But oh boy, let &#8216;em try!  Funnily enough, I understand Abraham fairly recently exempted gravity from LOA: if memory serves, I think the words were &#8220;if you jump out of a window, all you can do is wait for the impact&#8221; <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Or words to that effect.</p>
<p>So I shall carry on allowing the cogitations to circle, and we&#8217;ll see.  Nice to meet you.</p>
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		<title>By: sashen</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never too late to come to this part, RT. ;-)

I like your earth-is-flat-believers idea. Similarly, despite the millions of little girls who want to see a unicorn, there isn't one. And despite the number of high school boys who used to fantasize about sleeping with Farrah Fawcett, I've never heard one LOA story that begins with, "One day, while visualizing in my bathroom..."

Of course, the LOA believers will counter your earth-is-flat idea by saying, that the LOA doesn't affect things that ARE, only things that you want to appear in the future! Remember, the universe is a giant catalog, just waiting for you to ask for what you want. So if you WANTED the earth to BECOME flat (or round), well then it would HAVE to! 

See how easy it is to skate around any argument for a belief you want to hold? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never too late to come to this part, RT. <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I like your earth-is-flat-believers idea. Similarly, despite the millions of little girls who want to see a unicorn, there isn&#8217;t one. And despite the number of high school boys who used to fantasize about sleeping with Farrah Fawcett, I&#8217;ve never heard one LOA story that begins with, &#8220;One day, while visualizing in my bathroom&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, the LOA believers will counter your earth-is-flat idea by saying, that the LOA doesn&#8217;t affect things that ARE, only things that you want to appear in the future! Remember, the universe is a giant catalog, just waiting for you to ask for what you want. So if you WANTED the earth to BECOME flat (or round), well then it would HAVE to! </p>
<p>See how easy it is to skate around any argument for a belief you want to hold? <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Rational Thinking</title>
		<link>http://sashen.com/blog/53/okay-oprah-lets-settle-this-once-and-for-all/#comment-23230</link>
		<dc:creator>Rational Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve - I'm a little late to this party, but for what it's worth, here's a couple of thoughts.

First, like yourself, I was a true believer in LOA - I actually thought I'd got the secrets of the universe.  And taught it, and wrote about it ..... Well, since my wake-up call (oddly enough through Byron Katie and The Work - one day I sat down and asked myself: There is a law of attraction.  Is that true?"  I started laughing that day and I've been laughing ever since.  I have, in other moments, been trying to work out a way of disproving it.  And we come straight up against the impossibility of proving a negative.  However, just recently in a different context, something occurred.  Back when everybody thought the earth was flat, no one is suggesting that it actually ever was - I mean, it didn't pancake down flat and then spring back into it's present curved shape, or no one is suggesting that, that I am aware of :-)  So, if LOA really existed, and everybody thought the earth was flat, it would have been so.  And there would be a fossil record.  You could suggest to Oprah that she find it.

It's the current best I can come up with.  Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve - I&#8217;m a little late to this party, but for what it&#8217;s worth, here&#8217;s a couple of thoughts.</p>
<p>First, like yourself, I was a true believer in LOA - I actually thought I&#8217;d got the secrets of the universe.  And taught it, and wrote about it &#8230;.. Well, since my wake-up call (oddly enough through Byron Katie and The Work - one day I sat down and asked myself: There is a law of attraction.  Is that true?&#8221;  I started laughing that day and I&#8217;ve been laughing ever since.  I have, in other moments, been trying to work out a way of disproving it.  And we come straight up against the impossibility of proving a negative.  However, just recently in a different context, something occurred.  Back when everybody thought the earth was flat, no one is suggesting that it actually ever was - I mean, it didn&#8217;t pancake down flat and then spring back into it&#8217;s present curved shape, or no one is suggesting that, that I am aware of <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  So, if LOA really existed, and everybody thought the earth was flat, it would have been so.  And there would be a fossil record.  You could suggest to Oprah that she find it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the current best I can come up with.  Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good way of putting it! Eventually we have to figure out what works and what doesn't, and adjust accordingly. Learning about the work of Clare Graves and Spiral Dynamics has given me a new perspective on human development. Really interesting stuff! (I'm not into Ken Wilber, just the core Spiral Dynamics model.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good way of putting it! Eventually we have to figure out what works and what doesn&#8217;t, and adjust accordingly. Learning about the work of Clare Graves and Spiral Dynamics has given me a new perspective on human development. Really interesting stuff! (I&#8217;m not into Ken Wilber, just the core Spiral Dynamics model.)</p>
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		<title>By: sashen</title>
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		<dc:creator>sashen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magical thinking carried us a long way, and until it regularly kills us, it'll keep on keepin' on ;-)

I also applaud Bill's taking on TS, especially since so many of his customers are true believers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magical thinking carried us a long way, and until it regularly kills us, it&#8217;ll keep on keepin&#8217; on <img src='http://sashen.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I also applaud Bill&#8217;s taking on TS, especially since so many of his customers are true believers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't know Bill goes that route. Or maybe I just don't remember. I've read a few of his newsletters and some of his blog posts, and he doesn't strike me as a magical thinker (no more so than anyone who believes in a God or Source). I like that he is openly explaining why The Secret teachings is magical thinking.

I think that almost all humans engage in magical thinking at some level as a matter of survival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know Bill goes that route. Or maybe I just don&#8217;t remember. I&#8217;ve read a few of his newsletters and some of his blog posts, and he doesn&#8217;t strike me as a magical thinker (no more so than anyone who believes in a God or Source). I like that he is openly explaining why The Secret teachings is magical thinking.</p>
<p>I think that almost all humans engage in magical thinking at some level as a matter of survival.</p>
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